Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Russell Hantz

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The result was merge to Survivor: Samoa. Notability rests on the TV show, therefore comes under WP:BLP1E . I noted the comments that he is to appear in another series - however, it is essentially the same event - he is not notable outside of that particular show. Refs supplied by Cunard are about the show, not the person, though they do mention the person. Suggestions to merge to Survivor: Samoa make sense - the relevent material can therefore be kept in the appropriate context. Searches for Russell Hantz will be directed to the show/event for which he is notable. SilkTork *^YES! 14:25, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Russell Hantz

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Article is about a non-notable gameshow contestant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moondance2607 (talk • contribs) 20:34, 30 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Moondance2607 (talk) 20:34, 30 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Closing admin note: this !vote is from the AfD nominator. tedder (talk) 07:18, 3 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Does making it to the showcase round on the price is right and losing make you notable? This guy didn't win the million dollars. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.250.252.17 (talk • contribs)
Delete per WP:ONEEVENT. Accomplishments outside of Survivor aren't particularly notable. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 22:41, 30 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 22:55, 30 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete memorable contestant, but not a winner. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 23:33, 30 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Although he did not win the million, he was the runner up. He won the Sprint Fan Favorite Award (worth $100,000) and had a tremendous impact on the season Survivor: Samoa. Although winning the million dollars is a sufficient criterion for notability, I don't think it's the only criterion. However whatever (talk) 03:46, 1 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Update: Given that he has been selected to re-appear on an "all-star" season of Survivor, I think that adds to his notability and to the arguments why this article should be kept. However whatever (talk) 15:12, 2 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect to Survivor Samoa. Article focuses on his accomplishments on the show. His non-survivor activity doesn't make him notable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.137.138.16 (talk) 14:33, 1 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Although he did not win he was clearly a notable character. Also there is much anticipation that he might make it into the next season and therefore the article should be kept in anticipation of other accomplishments. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Agamemnon100 (talk • contribs) 02:46, 2 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The arguments that this article should be deleted just because the contestant did not win are ridiculous. Memorable players on Survivor have gotten pages in the past (Rupert Boneham, for example, lost twice, but has his own page) and Russell Hantz essentially was this season's entertainment. He took the intricasies of the game, and essentially cracked every one of them. I mean the man found the immunity idol three times (a feat never previously accomplished), and he played what could arguably be the best strategic game in the show's history (His political game needed some work). I think that deserves its own page. NeoAC (talk) 08:00, 2 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. No notable accomplishments outside of Survivor. 170.170.59.139 (talk) 01:13, 3 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Contestant is appearing on a second season of the gameshow, which makes deletion a borderline case (not exactly WP:BLP1E). Suggest keeping with another AFD in 6 months; there's no timeline to Wikipedia, and it's going to be hard to judge notability at this moment. tedder (talk) 07:20, 3 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to survivor somoa.--Coldplay Expért ^{Let's talk} 00:13, 4 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above. 74.73.17.216 (talk) 16:53, 4 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This discussion doesn't even make sense. Russell is one of the most notable survivors ever, and will be one of the few contestants on multiple seasons. If you delete Russell, you should delete about 1000 other wiki articles as well. 173.31.124.1 (talk) 19:25, 4 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I would normally vote delete on an AfD like this, but I think Hantz is more notable than your average Survivor contestant. He attracted by far the most airtime and publicity of the Samoa contestants, was the runner-up, won the sprint award, and will compete in a second season this year. I think a lot of Survivor contestants pages should really be discussed again if this page is deleted, because he's just as notable as other big name Survivor contestants like Cirie Fields or Stephenie LaGrossa, and I say this as someone who really doesnt like Hantz at all. (Kyleofark (talk) 19:35, 4 January 2010 (UTC))[reply]
Russell is the greatest survivor player ever though he was not the winner. He has significantly changed the game and specifically controlled Survivor Samoa. It is significant that he is returning to Survivor 20 as a notable villain. The page should be kept and clean-up according to Wikipedia's standards. Trimenes6 (talk) 13:55, 5 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Russel is probably the most popular contestant for Survivor of all time. He was a great player, probably the most cunning and influencial player of all time. Although he didn't win, he does atleast deserve a Wikipedia page. He is confirmed to be in the next season of Survivor, and deserves a page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.73.195.172 (talk) 17:47, 5 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Starblind. JBsupreme (talk) 07:45, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Regardless of how popular some feel he is (which is entirely subjective), the fact remains he was nothing but a contestant on a game show and that isn't notable. Niteshift36 (talk) 15:38, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: He's more than just another contestant.

He was the runner up and had a significant impact on the game
He won the Sprint Fan Favorite Award (which is worth $100,000)
He was invited to participate in a second season (an offer extended to very few contestants).

By your reasoning, even the winner is not notable enough to have a Wikipedia article. However whatever (talk) 19:47, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I wouldn't particularly mind if most Survivor winners were deleted from Wikipedia, with the exception of Hatch and perhaps a couple of others. It's really only by convention that they're kept here. Few of them are actually notable, and I would say that most of them are far more forgettable than Russel Hantz. (However, with this comment, I'm not suggesting that Russell's article should necessarily be kept.) Bueller 007 (talk) 06:11, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, there is no assertion of notability outside the show. Shifty333 (talk) 00:15, 7 January 2010 (UTC) — Shifty333 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. 7 00:33, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I'm somewhat confused by this comment. Is notability outside of (one or two) TV show(s) required? In other words, are you basing this !vote on WP:BLP1E? In your mind, does appearing on a second season render WP:BLP1E moot or not? I'm not contesting the vote, but I'm honestly trying to understand your full rationale. tedder (talk) 00:25, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. --MW talk contribs 00:28, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, gets an awful lot of page views, 5778 in 5 days, which means people think we should have an article, no? Abductive (reasoning) 05:38, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Per Tedder, this is not a BLP1E. Furthermore, the subject passes WP:GNG / WP:BIO with this article from the Los Angeles Times (titled Survivor': Has Russell secured his spot in the final two?) and this article from the Montreal Gazette (titled Survivor villain Russell Hantz faces 'memorable' vote). Notability is fully established. Cunard (talk) 10:21, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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